And for the sake of argument, lets say that Monsanto is not now selling GMO seed to home gardeners. Find My Store. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. Between 1996 and 2007, Monsanto, the largest supplier of genetically engineered (or GMO) seed traits,2 acquired more than a dozen smaller companies,3 and it now controls 60 percent of corn and 62.5 percent of soy-bean seeds and seed trait licenses in the United States.4 So, perhaps you can now see, how we are a very poor fit to have a conversation? Here are some articles that should be reliable From Mother Earth News - 35 years in business, http://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/where-to-buy-non-gmo-seeds-zm0z15fmzsor.aspx, Resources for Taking Action on GMO Foods 2014, http://www.motherearthnews.com/real-food/gmo-foods-resources-ze0z1409zcwil.aspx. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. Very early in this thread, that problem was addressed and resolved. The genetic engineering of human insulin was actually the first patent awarded in the field in the 1980's. Again, we have much common ground about our misgivings of Big Ag, and how the 7 big aggies are gobbling everything up and the smaller companies have difficulties keeping up and having the R&D funding to compete with the new breeding technologies besides GM, and how I support the little guys with a large portion of my seed purchases. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. In 1981, the Ferry-Morse Seed Company was acquired by France's Groupe Limagrain. This discussion proves that Houzz is no longer truncating long posts! If you object to my desire to boycott, then you require me to explain my reasons and in doing so, a GMO discussion ensues. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. Does Ferry-Morse have a catalog? 0000014051 00000 n Do you realize that many people already are avoiding all soy and corn because of the difficulty now of finding non GMO soy and corn? That is disrespectful. Your one-stop source for non-GMO seeds. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. The miniscule home gardening operation those operations developed is one of the principle sources that most seed companies we purchase from get their seeds from and rebrand from. Ferry & Co with $750,000 in capital, and Ferry as president,[4] James McMillan as vice-president, H. Kirke White as secretary, and Charles C. Bowen as treasurer. By 1930, Ferry was producing the majority of its seed in California. . Pupilla - I'm sorry to tell you this, but I don't find an explanation in your post at all. However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. and that concluded the discussion, Ed and I had. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. But, I think I've spent enough time responding to this thread. That is the best way to find out who owns a company. I support first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness when evaluating any product. An awareness, not a better understanding. I do not conform to a world of "believers" and "infidels" used by both sides which are quick to exclude any middle ground. And I find it hard to believe that you are not fully aware that you are doing that. I wasn't so much saying you were scare mongering as the article. I used to read it a lot when they first became a magazine. I haven't bought a non organic commercial fertilizer in 30 years of growing. If someone could only convince farmers to stop using GMO seeds. Youre worried about losing a super delish tomato and Im worried about the world getting to the point of having no food supply. The title of the list is bogus. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. I do not consider it more honorable or more negative to be either. I get Mother Earth News out of the library once in awhile. [g] With all the healthy social skills you can muster. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. So, when your government does not protect you from companies like Monsanto, you are left to do the best you can to protect yourself and to do your measly part to try to protect the availability of unadulterated seed. Is that your point of view? Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. And I don't think Monsanto will own these forever, the way they go, not very long at all since it is such an insignificant business to them. You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. I have to stop here, I havent even been able to read the comments made after Pupillas. That property is bordered by Second and Third Avenues on the east and west and by Burroughs and Amsterdam Avenues on the north and south, the city's northern limit at that time. For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. That is hurtful to all. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. I think they would like to have nothing but GMO seeds available to buy to everyone, including home gardeners. If GMOs concern you, then what are your concerns? Since their main activity and goals are to create GMO seed and not to produce conventionally hybridized seed, then it is not unreasonable to consider that they have plans to use the seeds of those companies to genetically modify them. :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." Expressing concern and making people aware of an issue, is not what I consider scare mongering. I hope to be able to continue having options to grow all conventionally bred varieties, including Better Boy tomatoes, therefore I will have no part of any boycott of wholesome, certifiably organic vegetable varieties smearing them so that they eventually might become discontinued and lost forever to those of us who like to grow them. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". I expect the same good faith from you. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? It also gives a list of seed companies that are not.(link)". And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? . Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. Trouncing the entire field because we don't like some parts of it is effectively throwing the baby out with the bath water. Perhaps even more impressive is the companys history of innovation. Ferry seed catalogs, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferry-Morse_Seed_Company&oldid=1144036611, Companies based in Santa Clara, California, Agriculture companies of the United States, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 11 March 2023, at 12:52. You evidently see no need to choose a side, but in making no choice you actually do make a choice. None of Big Ag is involved in making Florida Orange Juice GMO, so it is very different. Thanks for the rest of the links. Compare A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. Really? You continue to reduce the reasoning behind avoiding Monsanto owned seed companies and any other GMO seed companies to your own limited scope, that because all seed sold to home gardeners are now non GMO you don't have to avoid them. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply 'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleading information with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering. Compare $ 1 98. You pepper your posts saying *if this and that are true*, and then you expect me to clean up that mess by answering them all? When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. At SEEDS OF CHANGE, we believe in the power of plants, which is why weve pledged to not only put more plants on the table, but also to put more in the ground. 0000493049 00000 n It's a coop. In India, it goes on to say, there is now a biotech seed monopoly and Bt cotton seed has become the standard and organic seed has become unobtainable. You would have saved us both a lot of time. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. 0000001396 00000 n Is that right? LOL! I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. Each variety is maintained genetically pure to itself, and the home garden area has absolutely no more access to GMO's than any all-organic anti-GMO crusading company. If you wanted to discuss this topic, based on debate rules and theories, you should have mentioned that in the beginning and sought my agreement to discuss accordingly. Im actually against biotech entirely. :-). Anyone have any information about that? and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. Which if you had shared that, we might have found some common ground. To do that you just can buy any home garden seed you want. The facts that it benefits them do not prove a point and are not intended to prove anything about Monsanto's commercial practices or the safety of GMOs. 0000002729 00000 n So why is it still being discussed? If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. That is pretty depressing. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. Loss of the citrus industry will be catastrophic and change Florida. You wonder why we don't learn our lesson. Or is it just that you reject the idea that it could possibly be a frightening outcome? You should not assume I must do all the grunt work for an argument if I start and find no credibility nor effort to fact check on your part. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. I don't read their marketing politics or missions because all that is important to me is a product I am comfortable growing. As it is, many people are already avoiding corn and soy products in the supermarket because it is difficult to find any that are not genetically modified. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously since before Abe Lincoln was President. I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. Ferry-Morse has been trusted by gardeners since 1856. Is Ferry-Morse seeds owned by Monsanto? It is hard to avoid them though when they are buying up companies left and right. Here is the original post which drew my attention and the topic I was staying on as much as possible: "If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. I am comfortable with my reply, and understand where you are coming from. Here is a quote of what I said --, You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. for pricing and availability. You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. Ferry-Morse has been a trusted seed brand since 1856. Not all "progress" is a good thing and we often dive headfirst into it without truly knowing the full ramifications. So why was that not good enough for you? I am answering everything I possibly can and just look at all the time we have BOTH spent. Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . Im not an expert on Monsanto. They genetically modify seed. I put your complete, and in context quote in your original words above my reply. After the ovule has ripened, seeds are the product. As to questioning your intentions - I had reason to question your intentions, what do you call this statement you made? 0000509934 00000 n Hopefully if it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue. I get notifications on this old thread. Again, Nobody, including Monsanto, will sell them to the Home Gardener. Do you realize how confusing that is? At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. I dont find this constructive at all, so Im sorry but Im going to end here. And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. 0000002085 00000 n I said --. Ferry-Morse. Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. 3. Any questions I've asked were rhetorical and require no response. And Im sure that can be useful and beneficial, but sometimes our best strength can become our biggest weakness. Who is considering that? I agree that we are all too far removed from the reality of what is going on with our food supply, but I also believe that most people expect the government agencies to be protecting us from risks and dangers to the food supply, which would include GMO seeds and foods. What you have said here, is that people should not be avoiding Monsanto seed companies and you actually are indicating that you think that anyone who is avoiding Monsanto seed companies is either without logic, or has been manipulated or bullied and is afraid of something that they should not be afraid of. OK :-) Thank you for telling me the rules. 0000001926 00000 n ". This is no different from what was done in the name of religious fervor in the middle ages. "Ferry Morse Seed Company, San Francisco", Central Garden & Pet Completes Acquisition of Green Garden, Digitized copies of D.M. Hopefully IF it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". We all want this, right? Once of the great things about capitalism is that we can vote with our buying patterns. prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. But because I dont know you, and because you continue to state your intentions are good, I choose to believe that you dont understand how adding this kind of analysis to the conversation becomes a problem. D.M. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed companies in the United States, having been in continuous operation since 1856! Hollyhock Summer Carnival Mixed Colors Seed. Yes, your original objection about the link that was inaccurate, was an early part of the topic being discussed. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. I respect everyone's beliefs which include not giving them false and misleading info because it is morally my belief. I don't consider myself "torn" as you've interpreted from my writing. Ferry-Morse. And to be honest, I think above all companies, they won't be lying about this! Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. If you support their companies, you have no idea what they are doing behind the scenes. Monsanto isn't the only company that makes GMO cropswhy does everyne get worked up over Monsanto, and no one talks about Syngenta? The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. Do you see yourself as above the fray? They are restricted by commercial agreement to the grower who makes it illegal for us to buy the seeds and Monsanto went along with that as a commercial decision. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. Ferry-Morse. And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. And complete information doesn't exist, there is always some amount of information that is unavailable to us. I imagine there are many people who have stock funds that they don't even know have these stocks in them. Remember there are 2 American seed company's. One is owned by Plantation products and seeds and the other by the GMO pesticide company Monsanto. And I wonder if anyone has thought of trying to convince shareholders to stop supporting Big Agriculture? As a matter of fact, I don't even find it clear and understandable. You could take them to the cleaners for such a misrepresentation: "FAQ: Are the home garden seeds genetically modified (GM)? :-). Youve said twice you consider yourself an independent thinker. We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. ASM198 - Since the Infowars site is unreliable, I went looking for reliable sources and tried to think what I consider reliable. The 1906 earthquake demolished the firm's facilities, but they quickly moved to temporary space in San Francisco, and the company bought out Cox Seed and Plant. 0000001737 00000 n 0000055179 00000 n Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? Large companies, consolidating and growing into mammoth organizations, to me, are responsible for a lot of ill effects in the world. Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. 0000017030 00000 n You have used it a a major component of two posts. If this is true, how did that happen? And even though we have different viewpoints, I've never used MG, nor do I plan to! It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. 0000492812 00000 n So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". Ive made a few points that represent my own point of view and you skip right over them in favor of suffocating the conversation with more of your own opinions and explanations and analysis. We are in the same boat, since it took me at least as much time as you to compose my replies for you or may I dare say maybe longer :-(, and your replies were not a walk through the park to read and I did visit and read every link you offered. The most cited scientific journal on the planet takes the space to publish peer review a 270,000 figure and debunks it as a myth which is false and shows absolutely no correlation. Livingston improved tomatoes by making them more flavorful by selecting and growing out plants with the best characteristics. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. It would be nice to have first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in anything we read and I am quick to react when something doesn't smell right. How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? And Ive further offended you, by suggesting that what I understood you to say was that you were torn about GMOs. As consumers, we have to bear the brunt of the responsibility for that. Find My Store. BTW, you only see it when you are signed in. 0000510282 00000 n I'll stick with the friendly, who actually care online seed companies. And are you then saying that because the story about India was not completely accurate, that means that there is nothing to fear? They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. I suspect it is a lack of awareness. The length of this thread has now become ridiculous. You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. That is a really bad combination. [1] Jiffy has moved production outside of Canada with over 70 people working at their location in Brandon. Today Jiffy seed starting products are used by professional and experienced growers around the world. There has been more proven environmental damage caused by planting invasives, over-use of fertilizers, and habitat destruction then GMOs. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. I have tremendous respect for what they are trying to do. We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Is Ferry Morse Seeds owned by Monsanto? I addressed this in this post already.
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