A simpleton and naive remark for a complex subject. Look, all systems have compromises. Use of Military Title by Retirees or Reserves. Solid firearm that never fails. We have fired thousands of rounds and experienced zero negligent discharges, and not even one incident that I would describe as a near negligent discharge! The M9 was fine and easy to use, just a damn big horse pistol for a small bullet. trigger was safety enough to keep me out of trouble. Once we explain the ins-and-outs of de-cockers to students, we often field two sarcastic questions:Who came up with this? All rights reserved. Owning a firearm is one thing, but proper usage and maintenance is a whole different ball game. (such as promotion codes and cart reminders) from AMD at the number provided, Shoot what you want. This is verging on clickbait and I clicked. Just say you are a Glocksucking fanboy. My best guess for the newfangled safety system: Wilniewczyc and Skrzypiski had patent issues to consider . Manufacturers needed something marketable that resembled the Hi-Powers operating system, yet didnt invite lawsuits. I think the author is confusing Double-Action and Single-action triggers, and guns equipped with de-cockers. And if you already claim to be superb with the DA/SA, then youre full of.it. Its my favorite 9, above even my S&W 659, and Im a S&W guy. If I were limited to only owning and carrying one gun, it would be a Sig P226. Use a Decocking Mechanism when Available. All one has to do if practice the DA for that first round, then its down hill while in SA mode. Under the heading Key Takeaways on how to safely clear a pistol, on the last thing to do Quote "Clear the firing chamber of any unused rounds by racking the slide backward" This should be stated to do ONLY after removing the magazine from the firearm. if you can easily swap from de- cock to manual (some czs) then this is a non- issue. A decocker removes that risk. If you train with cocked and locked then thats pretty simple. FNP-9 is another one; push the lever down, hammer drops, lever pops back up (not act as a safety). For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Have to insert a short story here, Chambered aand ready to fire, no safety on, DA trigger pull on first shot, SA trigger pull on subsequent. > de-cocker style operating systems suck. then let the hammer down by putting my thumb on the hammer and pulling the trigger. (This is exactly what you said to me above). Its truly not that hard, just learn to lock your firing grip and pull the trigger without disturbing the sight alignment- something you should be doing anyway with any pistol platform. The writer of this article is a complete moron. The decocker allows the hammer to be lowered without the firing pin safety being disengaged. It was never intended to be carried that way at all times. The next to bottom picture is the Polish wz. Is the 1911 drop safe? and who would want a toilet seat like a de-cocker? My only complaint at all is that as Ive aged and acquired arthritis in my shooting hand, the DA seems more and more stiff and painful. But I liked revolvers because of their simplicity, and because they didnt have a f*****g safety that was in a different place on every dang SA pistol I owned prior to that time! Although recent trends in the law enforcement and commercial markets have favored striker-fired semi-automatic pistols for home and holster, the more traditional double-action semi-auto retains a strong presence. WTF is this talking about? Yet if I wrote about how semi automatics are crappy because they dont work for me it would be kind of silly, no? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. To be honest, it's not that hard to master the correct loading technique. Truly were living in a clown world society. With the underside of the crossbow facing your legs, place your foot far enough into the foot stirrup to keep it from slipping out when you draw the bowstring. The guy always had strong opinions and spread misinformation that in the pre-internet age could not be easily challenged such as his claim that the 1911 was designed to be carried cock and locked. The manual safety version of the SP-01, while not as safe as the decocking version, has an advantage over some other pistols with manual safeties. Hes talking about drawing, thumb-cocking the hammer, and using it as SA. Not ragging on Taurus-I have 2 . Double action revolver like trigger with added benefit of automatic resetting to single action for following shots is great idea. Personally I ended up not really caring for the safety on my own Jericho. Ha ha. Except many of them, Glocks etc, are carried cocked and unlocked, since there is no safety. I need to get a .357 caliber swap kit at some point in the future- 9mm, .22 and .357 SIG seem like good calibers to have around. I much prefer it to using a manual safety, which can easily be forgotten.. Also like my Sig p226. With drop-safe construction such as Springfield Armorys, the cocked-and-locked 1911 is perfectly safe. Or you dont have to use it at all. Ive looked at DA/SA handguns in stores. Their firing pin is free-floating so there is no firing pin block unless the safety/decocker is engaged. Interestingly, the Army jumped on fast to call the decocker a safety and Beretta adamantly insisted it was never designed to be a safety. At that point, I realized that my pistol in decock could never do that. Decades of (self) training left me with a revolver where I fired a couple shots (normally SA because it is FUN!) plus it rolls the firering mechanism out of line so no chance of it firing while decocking. @ James McGillis There are some leftie techniques but they are pretty gun specific. Anyway, it has a decock lever. 2. Thanks. This is total nonsense man. Things get dropped in fights. Model F decock with manual safety Glock leg is in large part an urban legend, like HK hates civilians. I CCW a decocked P07, so I shoot the same system in competition. They offer no tangible safety benefit. This is why a decocker is an extra in my opinion. I have in the past few years disregarded the lever all together except to dexxxx once a round is loaded in the chamber. My backup was a S&W 442 because of the DA only trigger and light weight. Look at this competition (CZ based copy) DA/SA pistol: And, similar to many striker fired pistols, there is no manual safety to prevent me from firing the weapon when I want to. I explain how a rimfire pistol works, why it damages the gun when you dry fire it and how you can safely decock it. Striker pist ols simply don't offer this advantage. They offer no tangible safety benefit. Could I make do with a DA/SA gun? A really good question for you to ask them, and yourself. Place your index finger on the trigger and squeeze it gently to fire a round. These Wrong And now Ill ask you again for the list of professional trainers that endorse the carry of cocked and unlocked SA or DA/SA autopistols. This type of spyware program installed in less than 5 seconds. This would do two things. Thumb under hammer. As a general rule I would say that (as they have done forever) southpaws will simply have to work out a reasonably efficient method if they are forced to use a RH dexxxx gun. . On most designs, leaving the lever engaged results in a dead (i.e., non-functional) trigger. I bought one of the first Glock 17s in the country, easy pistol to use, mushy trigger, definitely needs to be holstered with a trigger guard if loaded. I wont have a striker fired pistol, except for perhaps .25 autos, de-cocker style operating systems suck. . October 8, 2010 By Andy Loeffler filed under All Articles, Handguns, Self Defense Firearms. Very DA-revolver-like, for those of you that prefer a wheelgun. You must have JavaScript enabled in your browser to use this website. . I watched a bunch of videos about how to pull your pistol from a holster and in several of them I saw the gun owner shoot himself with pistols with striker fire. Glock leg. The Viz is far from the first. Both the 1911 and Hi Power use the single action/double action, cocked and locked style mechanism. Look closely: this Ruger P95 is out of battery due to the slide going forward with the decocking safety deployed. The Polish wz. Nam risus ante, dapibus a molestie consequat, ultrices ac magna. I took a course once from an ex-cop who said he always carried a 1911 style with the chamber empty and the hammer down (Is that Israeli carry?) Since Im left handed, I always used my right (support) hand to dexxxx. A Glock CAN have a heavier pull, and I explained how, above. The lack of training and awareness around loading procedures leads to improper handling and accidents. I can carry it either cocked and locked, OR as a DA by thumbing down the hammer. i wont even mention the hammer and firing pin blocks; suffice it to say that when theyve worn enough dropping the hammer with the decocker will fire a loaded round. My Walther has been flawless Since day one. I have had more than a little experience waking up at odd hours and bringing a firearm up and ready. Id never had a pistol like that before and, at first, thought it was pretty weird. Enter in your email and password to create a FREE account. I have not tried that on my 1911s, probably should. Thats entirely false. To return the pistol to its safe state, it is necessary to uncock (decock) the hammer, usually by holding the hammer spur, carefully pulling the trigger, and then slowly lowering the hammer on the firing pin. Cardinal design features of the 1911 pistol are the thumb safety and the grip safety. Clear your muzzle to ensure nothing interferes with its line of sight. Additionally if every trigger pull is identical muscle memory is easier to develop. And putting in a Wolff spring has made the DA relatively light. I got my daughter one of these. This is the perfect blog for everyone who hopes to find out about this topic. Yes, practice makes perfect and muscle memory, etc,etc. Sure doesnt apply to *MY* Glock! You can change cop for terrorist, etc. Beretta always gave me problems. Most pistols made in the early 1900s had no firing pin block and prone to discharge if cocked and dropped. Each one if these pistols sre fine weapons for duty and self defense carry if and big IF the user is trained how to operate them. Did you make that up, because anyone who follows competitive pistol shooting knows czs dominant production class. 1911 load one press safety up, Holster! The first pull will be stiffer, but thatwont matter much in a fight for your life scenario, and its only heavy on the first shot. OK, but there is a tool for every purpose, and for our limited exposure to pistols, it is a fine design. A tap/rack drill does not change the shooting grip, and it gets rid of a potential dud round (far more likely than a hard primer). Ill stick with my feature full DA/SA pistol operated in the way I see fit. Thoughts on this, or is there another decocking method thats better? The single action trigger pull doesnt require much practice to master. B. If a firearm registered in your name went missing due to sheer negligence and got misused, be prepared to face severe consequences. He specified hammer down carry. D. All of the above. True. the sig p22x decocker is a positive release you have control of the hammer through the decock lever the whole time . Pellentesque dapibus efficitur laoreet. This serves as a passive safety, but if the need arises, drawing and firing are no different than a Glock, just draw, aim, and squeeze the trigger. My brother in law wants to gift me a colt mustang .380. Nam risus ante, icsque dapibus efficitur laoreet. That was when I wore a pistol bag and before I went to a belt holster. In addition to that, the grip fits my hand like it was made for it. There are only 3 controls - the mag release, the slide/slide stop and the trigger. How do you de-cock a pistol. But you want be able to, as most folks (pro or not) know better than to try and draw a parallel between a cocked and unlocked SA or DA/SA auto, and a Safe-action Glock, which was designed to be carried in that manner. With just a downward press of the thumb on the manual safety, the pistol is ready to fire with its famously good trigger pull. Browning was working on the Hi Power for FN (Fabrique Nationale) in the early 20s. The Dexx/Safety on your 3913 gives you an option of manual safety, if you want it. This is about as much crap as the primer crap above. 35 ViS was made IN Radom. Bend over the crossbow, grabbing the bowstring on both sides of the barrel using all four fingers of both hands. I too have always felt that the long D.A. This finger will serve as a "hammer block" and will prevent the gun from discharging if the hammer slips while you're decocking it. Seems to cater to Glock leg victims or those who read about handguns online Call of Duty players? He ranks in my book with Fake Indian Elizabeth Warren. HM. Sign up for a membership now! Keep your finger outside the trigger guard until you are ready to fire to avoid any accidental discharge. Ill admit the first time I dropped the hammer on a live round in my Beretta was spooky for a former 1911 guy! articles and videos are considered to be suggestions and not recommendations from Springfield Armory. To decock a pistol safely and easily you should: A. Not all DA trigger systems have decockers. Gee, I guess all my years in Iraq and Afghanistan make me one of those other guys who arent good shooters. Silly me, and here I thought I knew what I was doing. 2-304: Take a close look folks, this is what happens when someone who thinks they know what theyre talking about goes to Wikipedia to reinforce their mistaken beliefs. She loves her gun, says she shoots it better than her 9 mm compact pistol. Its fallty and you can hurt your self if it does fire. Its convenient and easy to use. Whether it's your. Options means decisions under stress. is a thing for a very good reason. So, the bulk of practice is spent mastering the double action trigger, which is not bad on even stock CZs. To each his own, the person most likely to be shot in a ND of a Glock is the guy holding it, no skin off my nose. Yup. The pistol must never leave your sight. Who ever wrote this doesnt know guns or hasnt used them except at ranges. Options mean potential confusion under stress. First of all you should tell the difference between single and Doubble action pistols never lump them together. When it comes to striker-fired pistols, decocking is slightly tough. I simply use them to decock the hammer then flick them back off for a traditional DA/SA carry. On most designs, leaving the lever engaged results in a dead (i.e., non-functional) trigger. Its best not to go around claiming that one is the be-all and end-all, or that another is the devil. . Massad Ayoob is a renowned firearms expert with decades of experience in the firearms community. But after youve worked a long shift, youre tired, youre in a minor stupor after a long drive home after dark, your mind is dwelling on a problem at work, and then suddenly youre snapped back into the here-and-now by the sight of a person quickly approaching your blocked-in car at the stoplight; well, thats really not the best time to start trying to remember Which mode am I carrying in today?. 1. Various techniques to do it safely. By entering your phone number and submitting this form, I own(ed) multiple Beretta Px4s for 10 years and many 92s for over 30 years- no malfunctions with the exceptions of a handful from bad re-loads out of about 10,000 rounds. Ohio Set to Reform Gun Free Zone Penalties? I started with a Beretta 92 and use PX4s now. I had no idea other firearms set a safety when dexxxxed. Well I had one Years ago & did not even realize it was anything but a Safety lever. I transitioned to semi pistols from revolvers in 1986 when I got a Sig P-226. and the initials of the designers with the i being the Poilish word for and. In training with such pistols, the realities imposed by the decocker must be recognized and accommodated. I will say that I think the striker tri ggers are getting better. The gun guys in Poland I grew up with called it a ViS. A little more complicated doesnt necessary equate to sucking as you stated above. I always carry hammer-down when concealed carrying. Quick check for safety, work the hammer with finger outside the guard, no cock, safety is on. The gun is carried with the hammer down. took me a while to trust it. Safety with any firearm resides between the ears, not due to any safety system or the lack thereof. takes what, ten minutes to learn to drive a stick? I trust my fingers more than I trust mechanical devices. Many different factors go into discharging a Pistol. Again, IMO, the decocker is an extra. This step-by-step guide will help you understand how to load, discharge, and clear a pistol safely. Okay, now youre not even reading what I wrote, just parroting your fake talking points. Ruger P95 and Beretta 92FS with slide-mounted decocking safeties. Absolutely nothing wrong with cocked and locked. arrow pointing to de-cocker: Click to expand. Pull Trigger. keep nose pickers out of trigger and good to go. So I dont necessarily know this to be true. Think of it along the lines of S & W). The only way to decock is to pull the trigger. Now true, Ive only had a chance to dry fire it, but I much preferred the DA mode to the SA mode. When the gun is completely ready to fire, it will not go off without a finger on the trigger. But, lets dig into the details of this incredibly popular and long-lived design to decide for ourselves. This should be practiced until it is well ingrained. In competition, particularly production, some guns that do not have decockers but are DA/SA are decocked by dropping the hammer slowly all the time before a stage. These include 1911-style guns, a few other rarer designs, the occasional revolver and those we refer to as de-cocker systems. And the hard primer crap is usually just that crap. With the DC you only have to remember to De-Cock when you are finish for the Day. Cocked and unlocked. They require an initial press downward to de-cock. I mean, *I* would certainly never be planning to use a fallen cops gun against him, but that doesnt mean no one would. Wouldnt trade any of them for some plastic bullshit pistol. In those days lots of people were upset if they saw a pistol with the hammer back in a holster. DA/SA decocker pistols are perfectly easy to use. Both the 1911 and Hi Power are single action not double action. The thumb safety was put on the at the behest of the US Cavalry so that the weapon could be made safe one handed after an engagement. The latest content straight to your inbox plus an automatic entry to each of our monthly giveaways! Either something needs shooting or it doesnt. C. Safely unload the pistol then utilize the slide lock or hammer blocking method. For home protection, I like condition 3, chamber empty, full mag, and hammer down. KEEP THE HANDGUN POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION Enable the safety if available Use the decocking lever if available Place non-dominant hand thumb between hammer and firing pin Place dominant hand thumb on hammer Maintain pressure on hammer as you squeeze trigger You make the assertion you defend the claim. If you keep it cocked with hammer back in SA mode how is that any different from the regular operating of a Glock or other striker fired pistol? In fact Mr. Brownings personal 1911 doesnt even have a thumb safety. I grew up shooting my fathers Beretta 92 and then shot one in the military. Nam risus ante, dapibus a, onec aliquet. As far as I know, they werent much of a concern to anyone in the world until the 70s-80s-90s. 1911 and HiPower used the single action/double action system whaaaaat? Tags: decocker 101, double-action, pdn, personal defense, personal defense network, semi-automatic, striker-fired. Theyre what I know. Wasting time pulling the trigger on a round that is not likely to fire is not solving your problem that the pistol was pulled to solve. In fact, they create needless safety and training issues. Sig Sauer P 226 X-Five Allround 9mm luger, is perfect for me, Im a southpaw. Unload all the guns before storing them away and load them when preparing for. Btw. On can manually drop the trigger with their thumb but risk exists with that and slide can come back and smash your thumb and fingers into a bloody pulp. The advantage is, if you have a hard primer the DA/SA doesnt require you to change your grip to reset the hammer and try again. Its ALWAYS easier to learn one task (how to manage a single trigger pull weight and movement) than it is to learn two (a long/heavy first-shot pull, followed by a short/light second- and subsequent-shot trigger pulls). Calling it a Radom is like calling a Buick a Detroit. You can learn to drive, shoot a Bow, Throw Knives or what ever. In any case, in my experience, practice is all that is needed to master both trigger pulls and personally I prefer the added safety that a double action trigger provides. Often, handgun enthusiasts fail to take correct care of their pistols, which hurts the quality of the pistol in the long run. Whether it's your 9mm SD VE or an M&P 380 Shield, very often, new gun owners get irresponsible with their brand-new handguns. Why have light trigger pulls at all then for guns that are meant for self defense? Goddam, I wish I had a father like you. Being able to successfully and safely decock a pistol is a skill every shooter should have. Love my Sigs with decocker. If you are concerned about it, use the decocker and learn to use the DA/SA trigger. Were personal injuries lawsuits a serious concern in the 1920s Europe? Yes, I have to train to push another lever before I holster my gun. Ive seen M9 users out shoot Glock boys easily and Smith 1st Gen guys leave folks in their wake with mouths slack. She is very proficient at drawing and cocking the hammer for the first shot rather than making the long DA pull. It is one of my FAVORITE pistols, and the grip feels like it was made for my hand. Comments (0) If it doesnt deserve perforation, then I shouldnt be pointing my gun at it, I shouldnt have my finger on the trigger, and the fact that Im pulling the trigger a bit when I dont mean to fire is a terrible habit to train. A DA/SA pistol does allow a heavier trigger pull on the first shot and some people want that. Yes, you can decock by lowering the hammer with one hand and gently squeezing the trigger with the other. The safety added a small measure of safety. Going to move it up next to wanker rails. And from there, you only have to remember to Draw & fire. Shooters hand must crawl out of firing position so that thumb can operate decocking safety. or an M&P 380 Shield, very often, new gun owners get irresponsible with their brand-new handguns. You know so much its almost hard to argue with you (not that I actually would want to. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Glocks have the trigger safety. A lightweight firing pin, and/or heavier firing pin spring, make the 1911 inherently drop safe. I like the decocking safeties. I love opinion pieces. Thank you Bob. I love the Sig SP2022 I currently own and use at the range and along side the bed at night. Most of us use the terminology created half a century ago or more by Col. Jeff Cooper, the man some called the high priest of the 1911 .45, and refer to cocked and locked carry as Condition One.. Yes, by treating it as an SA gun with the hammer down. Having a gun you can disengage and yet still fire without moving the slide is bad? Other systems like Sig and H&K retard the hammers travel and dont fully drop it onto the firing pin. Place a weak hand finger or thumb in front of the cocked hammer, wedging it between the hammer face and the frame of the gun. Wouldnt trade it for most of the junk around today. How to Load, Discharge, and Clear a Pistol Safely, Do not attempt to load, fire, or clear a pistol if you are unfamiliar with it, While loading a pistol, add one round at a time into the magazine and ensure they are correctly seated, Lock the magazine by sliding it upwards till you hear a clicking sound, Disengage the safety latch to unlock the firearm, While discharging your pistol, hold it in your dominant hand and point it in a safe direction, Clear the firing chamber of any unused rounds by racking the slide backward, Loading a pistol can be more complicated than it looks for a new gun owner. Unfortunately, unlike the people of the old west, the APs & SPs would forget which way the cylinder turned and an AD was often the result. Even my safety models I manually decock. It wasnt my first (I dont want to talk about it!) However, 85 percent of the guns students show up with fall into the polymer, striker-fired category. In my experience most anyone who speaks in absolutes is ill-informed at best, especially when theyre emphatic. The DA/SA needs the trigger pulled in to align the hammer/firing pin block. The thing I have noticed is that revolver/DA people seem to transition to a striker gun without missing a beat. Come back and talk to me after youve spent 2-3 decades training folks how to use pistols, especially DA/SA autopistols with decockers. And they dont have two different trigger pull weights and travel distances to deal with in stressful situations, or a very long-and-heavy first-shot pull which makes hitting very difficult, comparatively. There is holstering, unholstering, cleaning, storage, among others, and some people dont want a cocked and unlocked gun like the Glock for their everyday activities for the very rare instance that they would actually need to use it, and desire and want that first stiff trigger pull, or carry it cocked and locked. Regardless, never cared much for inserting my thumb between the hammer and slide on my 1911s if I had to decock for some reason but again, practice. 1. I much prefer it to using a manual safety, which can easily be forgotten. Showing off and flaunting your newly acquired pistol carelessly can lead to injury or death. Ive got de-cocking guns. And you holster it that way. 2. The decocker is safer than letting the hammer down on a loaded chamber on a wheel gun. This is maximum cringe. The third fail safe is not be pointed at anything/anybody you do not want to destroy. Another thing showing that the author doesnt know what he talks about. No different than a DA/SA pistol with the hammer locked back and the safety off. Nearly all older guns were not what we now call drop safe. One Simple Trick for Keeping Your Guns Incredibly Clean, The Four Rules of Gun Safety for New Gun Ownersand Everyone Else [VIDEO], How to Make Sure Your Shotgun Really Fits You, https://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/witness-elite-gold-team-tanfoglio-76, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE, http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=169&category=Pistol. Designed by Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypiski, introduced in 1931/32, the 1911-style pistol chambered in 9mm had a decocker lever on the slide (reminiscent of the Beretta 92F). You DO realize THAT Taurus was on the recall list Geoff? Finally, Condition Four would be a pistol with magazine well and chamber both empty, and hopefully a full magazine within easy reach should a life-threatening emergency suddenly demand a loaded gun in hand. Hello? Some are nice, some are bad and some are outright disgusting. Keep both your eyes open when aiming down sights (or use an optic) for better accuracy and depth perception. Pull the hammer back and have a smooth trigger pull with very short reset after that first round or while in de-cocked mode give it that long trigger pull for the DA, what ever blows your skirt up. If you train and your muscle memory is set up for flicking off a safety first, then that is fine too.
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